Biggest disappointment in Fantastic 4...
I really wanted to see the entire planet get teleported somewhere else. I thought that would've been awesome. What would that have looked like on the big screen? It would be cool if the night sky was forever changed after that and had more cosmic colors going on (Aurora borealis type lights but everywhere kinda thing)
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What I want is multiverse traveling Donald Trump, getting more evil and demented with each new timeline.
Im tired of rehashing origin stories that have already been put on the big screen multiple times.
This whole movie they went "what do we do?" and then didn't really end up doing much of anything.
I'm sorry a 2 minute and 30 second montage isn't enough.
We then see Sue stating they needed a bunch of rare elements, like Uranium and such.
So how did they manage to build around two dozen bridges around the globe with the materials still in base element/alloy form, and have a specifically designed unique superstructure assembled all around them, and have the extremely high voltage power lines routed in, in just *36 hours*?
…would it be a better movie if they got into the logistics of it? Not everything needs to be shown on screen. It was to illustrate the unified, Herculean effort being given.
It's asking me to believe something irrational, that needs explained.
You cannot go from raw materials to a specific architecture with rare elements in many structures across the globe in 36 hours.
The towers are not.
It's miles beyond suspension of disbelief when you present something to the viewer that is so impossible it's ridiculous.
Not really, no.
What's that? It's impossible?
Yeah I don't have the means to do that. What point did you think you were making here?
It cannot be done, even in the MCU.
Because I personally cannot do it?
> It cannot be done, even in the MCU.
Sure it can. It was, in fact.
Reed doesn't even ask about this. . . at all. has no clue what galactus plans or how his hunger works and has zero questions for galactus about the power cosmic. . . ?
weird.
and Reeds ship is just randomly WAY faster than galactus ship and they get home near instantly while we have to see galactus fly past Jupiter all slow for days. . .and galactus never asks reed about this?
Also, how does invisible woman push Galactus around? I know her power set technically allows it, but they should have maybe said Franklin sensed danger and augmented her somehow as she is his mother here .imo.
“Going on fine”? Galactus basically says he can finally escape by having Franklin take his place. That doesn’t sound like a fine setup.
Also, they probably just don’t want their child taken either way.
>and Reeds ship is just randomly WAY faster than galactus ship and they get home near instantly while we have to see galactus fly past Jupiter all slow for days. . .and galactus never asks reed about this?
Is it “randomly” faster or just faster? And why would he ask Reed about it?
>Also, how does invisible woman push Galactus around? I know her power set technically allows it, but they should have maybe said Franklin sensed danger and augmented her somehow as she is his mother here .imo.
Not really sure what point you’re making here. It makes sense in the movie but you wish they offered an additional, different explanation?..
the ship being WAY faster shows reed has capability beyond Galactus. Which is why Galactus should ask, so then he can be like "uh, maybe you can help w/ this hunger too" , also if Galactus ship is made way faster he can worry less about the hunger issue..... or find planets w/ less civilizations on them? Like hey, don't eat Earth, lemme increase your range 10x for you, now we are cool and you actually owe me.
The point I'm making is based on this movie Galactus is randomly a bitch. He should have just shot a beam of utter and complete death through her + the entire continent behind her. That's "not explaining" something we have no idea how strong / weak or what galactus power set even is. Does this version even have energy beams? Seems like no?
"Giant space God wants your child to take his throne of suffering" is ample reason to justify the actions they take.
>the ship being WAY faster shows reed has capability beyond Galactus
Not really. It just shows Reeds ship is faster than Galactus's giant ship was traveling. He has no real reason to rush.
>also if Galactus ship is made way faster he can worry less about the hunger issue..... or find planets w/ less civilizations on them?
Why would Galactus want a planet with less people?
I never said the actions they took were not justified. I said it is out of character for Reed to not want to learn from Galactus, as much as he can, about his plans. What he intends, how it affects his child, who has this cosmic power / hunger thing. To not say "explain how this works so I can help think about your problem" is not a question of "are the actions shown on screen justified" which you twisted it into, I never said anything along that line
and it's not a question of if Galactus "wants" a planet with less people, but if you can negotiate anything with him. Which , if reed can teleport whole planets, he could bring them to galactus from afar. Maybe better ones. Maybe MORE planets, or w/ less concern of running out. . . . . and you trade these things which MAYBE galactus wants, in exchange for sparing Earth. Which they saw him do w/ the silver surfer.
Reed could attack the problem by saying he can be a significantly better Surfer and not even have to leave Earth. MAYBE, but this isn't explored at all. and it's fine if they just drop a line or two in the movie to show this is though about, they do talk about teleporting planets where galactus can't find them for Millions of Years, that means you can do that in reverse, find planets he could never find in millions of years and teleport them to him, maybe ones better than Earth for eating. . . .
The lack of self awareness in this sentence is palpable.
Not up for a conversation if you're going to opt to be rude.
if I made a conversational fau pax like that I assume you would describe it me. . . . not just lie and claim I am conversing in an rude manner, when that was just you.
That's not what I did, nor is it what you said I did. You literally just said:
>you are not very good at having a discussion lol.
Which is rude and childish. If you want to have a conversation, and can do so like an adult, I'd be happy to.
The other big problem is that we're gonna be following a cast of characters with most of them we've only seen at least once or twice before the movie and have never interacted with each other before.
Doomsday will be like jumping straight from Avengers 1 to Infinity War without having any of the movies in between.
I was almost certain they were going to do the same for Doom, as F4 was coming out right before Doomsday, so I left the theatre somewhat disappointed.
This is the exact reason RDJ is Doom.
Having said that, I wish we had a longer buildup with Doom.
Yeah, the Multiverse creates a giant writing “stakes” problem… I hope Doomsday can rise to the challenge but Marvel seems mostly interested in their stunt casting right now.
... is a fundamental storytelling paradox that prevents satisfying story resolutions as a matter of plot engineering. Do you see the problem? The conceit of Kang's existence implies only and exactly two solution: collapsing the multiverse until the stakes are meaningless in the larger arc, or making each story individually meaningless. The comics take the middle road and carve out "chronological empires" of time in a way that's exceptionally difficult to explain and likely impossible to translate to screen.
Kang is a piece of annoying recurring shit that was ALWAYS going to alienate enough of the MCU fans to wind up where we are. He's ultra-divisive in the comics, it was an impossible ask to convert him to film without alienating most of the fans. He's scary and all that, sure, but not in a way that allows for satisfying stories to be written.
If Galactus had been the third F4 movie, I could see him winning.
But I guess they didn't want to do that because the Fantastic Four would never abandon their planet, even if it was being eaten by the giant purple man. And after Sue Storm's family speech on the second watch, it's fine this way. It would've been nice for Doomsday to not have to do EVERYTHING, though.
Ant-Man should have died in Quantumania. Only that would have telegraphed how serious Kang was.
What bugs me (no pun) is how ugly and uncool everything in the TVA was, but I sorta hate any time travel story (which multiverse travel basically is) with time police.
The Fantastic Four when the 828 NPCs they’re ditching try to hitch a ride on their escape rocket.
I watched the film with my 12 year old niece and she said how did they get powers, she hadn’t seen the other films so I thought they could have went more into detail on that in this movie , especially for people that hadn’t seen the other films
I want more Ben!!
We already know the Fantastic 4’s world is likely getting destroyed, I very much doubt that fantastic 4 ships appearance in thunderbolts was because they felt like a holiday. They traveled the multiverse likely because their home is now gone and to add stakes to showcase doom is capable of what he preaches.
Y’all are so ready to steal your own joy.
Because I bloody do it too!
Cause in the multiverse saga we have the consequences of
- a new god of stories on the throne
- the TVA overthrow
- death of a list of legacy but still canonical characters
- a lead of a movie stranded in another universe
- the death of the scarlet witch
- Tiamat islands creation and following conflicts
- US political leadership became a hulk and is now in jail
- 10 rings has new leadership
- kree skrull civil war resolution technically
- new avengers team and that fallout with avengerz
And obvi whatever I’m forgetting
So if I think back to pre-endgame then help me understand where all the big consequences were? Just the creation and dissolving of the avengers teams, destruction of Asgard and general emergence of the hero era?
The rest were stuff that were introduced then resolved in the same movie, so not really that impactful.
The death of some version of fox characters true may not come up but also a chance in doomsday etc.
The red hulk stuff sure ya likely not a big deal.
Avengers being broken up is a consequence that will matter also the avengers v avengerz and just the existence of the fantastic four. All that is consequential.
That plus the 2 you already gave credit for.
So again like, are we just a fandom looking for negativity and colored by nostalgia glasses?
Or were there actually a bunch of impactful stuff pre-multiverse saga?
The only thing that era did that really mattered was have Tony stark exist.
I’ll grant there is no force playing a role with similar weight in this saga, but there is a cumulative weight to the world building still.
Still I do agree in part as I wish strange or Loki had played that role through the whole saga
Skrull civil war stuff is all lame but did technically matter for the marvels movie even if everyone seems to have missed the one throwaway line about it.
Rambeau being stranded is def a consequence we will feel in doomsday.
Boy did they nerf him.
I know I’ve watched enough YouTube videos on how the planet would be different without a moon, or if we were a moon orbiting a much larger planet. How it would affect our weather patterns and everything else.
They probably thought about all that and said, “fuck it!”
Yes they could have just written it off like “of course Reed considered this”. But it never really made mention of exactly where they were planning on moving the planet to if I remember correctly.